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Fat Buu (All Out) & SSJ/SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z-Sword) vs SSJ3 Goku (Living, All Out)
Topic Started: Nov 12 2011, 07:33 PM (4,199 Views)
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Goku felt confident that he could defeat the fat Majin Buu, but this was distinctly before he had any idea of SSJ3's energy drain, or at least how horrible it was while living. He also never said anything like "Lol, I'll one shot him!", he just said that he was sure he could win. Goku is allowed to descend to his SSJ2 form, if he thinks it will ever be of any use to him.

Buu didn't seem to be going all out against Goku in terms of effort (I believe he was in power, however). He was smiling the entire time, and seemed to be enjoying himself.

For Gohan, he was considered as someone who might be close to Buu in power. As for his form, use whichever form you feel that Goku was comparing to Buu, and go debate which one it was somewhere else.

Personally, I think that the team wins this. I think Buu would be able to go the distance with and possibly beat SSJ3 Goku (living), and I think SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z-Sword) would give Fat Buu hell and force him to use considerable effort before Buu wins. The best strategy for the team, in my opinion, would be to have Fat Buu duel Goku 1 vs. 1, most likely lose, and have Gohan take down the badly injured Goku.

Now for the obligatory numbers (in my humble opinion, of course):

SSJ3 Goku: 100
-Against Fat Buu: 85 - 90
Fat Buu: 80
SSJ2 Gohan: 65

Mindset: Not blood lusted persay, but everyone is fully determined to win.

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What do you guys think?
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SSJ2 Gohan and Fat Buu beats the ***** out of Goku.
SSJ3 Goku >= Fat Buu >= SSJ2 Gohan.
Fat Buu & SSJ2 Gohan >>> SSJ3 Goku.
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Fat Buu >= SSJ2 Gohan

wait wut :o_O:

I say the team wins but I don't think Gohan was close to Majin Buu

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the powers here are close enough that any tam of 2 will beat the other one.

basically, i have it as:

ssj3 goku 20
fat buu 15
ssj2 gohan 15

if anything, i think buu will win. as long as no one teams up, he has the stamina to outlast both gohan and goku. if anyone teams up with anyone else, then it all depends on the teams. gohan won't win, though.
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Nov 12 2011, 08:06 PM
the powers here are close enough that any tam of 2 will beat the other one.

basically, i have it as:

ssj3 goku 20
fat buu 15
ssj2 gohan 15

if anything, i think buu will win. as long as no one teams up, he has the stamina to outlast both gohan and goku. if anyone teams up with anyone else, then it all depends on the teams. gohan won't win, though.
Yeah, I honestly think Fat Buu alone would defeat SSJ3 Goku (Living) way easier than Goku would defeat him, but Goku was so sure he was stronger. I just think Goku was being pretty arrogant, thinking that only power mattered, and that he didn't fully understand the power of Buu's regeneration and the endurance issues of SSJ3.

I do think Goku has a small chance of winning this fight by himself. If he can stun Buu for 3 seconds at the absolute start of the battle (Taiyo-Ken?), go ape on Gohan and knock him to the ground, knock Buu so that he falls near Gohan, and then fire an absolutely massive Kamehameha that pushes him back to base, he might be able to win. Still, I'd only give that plan like a 5% chance of really working out: it requires everything to go perfectly for Goku.

In terms of other team ups, however, I think a team of any two should beat the other one fairly easily. I suppose if Goku fights like an idiot and Gohan just doesn't do much, Buu might beat them as a team, but I really can't see that happening.
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I think Goku would stomp. Goku said he could have beaten Fat Buu "at any time" which suggests to me that it would have been very easy. I have Gohan slightly less powerful than Fat Buu but if Goku could beat Buu easily then I'm sure he could do the same to Gohan who has a much less durable body.

Edit: Oops I was wrong about that quote (See my next post)
Edited by Clearin, Nov 12 2011, 10:05 PM.
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Nov 12 2011, 09:50 PM
I think Goku would stomp. Goku said he could have beaten Fat Buu "at any time" which suggests to me that it would have been very easy. I have Gohan slightly less powerful than Fat Buu but if Goku could beat Buu easily then I'm sure he could do the same to Gohan who has a much less durable body.
You don't think SSJ3's energy drain would be a problem? Goku'd never seen a living SSJ3 when he made his comment about being able to kill Fat Buu, and he never said he'd godstomp. And you think he'd have the energy left to kill one after he kills the other?

I'm not saying your wrong by any means, I'm just curious.
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Nov 12 2011, 09:55 PM
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Nov 12 2011, 09:50 PM
I think Goku would stomp. Goku said he could have beaten Fat Buu "at any time" which suggests to me that it would have been very easy. I have Gohan slightly less powerful than Fat Buu but if Goku could beat Buu easily then I'm sure he could do the same to Gohan who has a much less durable body.
You don't think SSJ3's energy drain would be a problem? Goku'd never seen a living SSJ3 when he made his comment about being able to kill Fat Buu, and he never said he'd godstomp. And you think he'd have the energy left to kill one after he kills the other?

I'm not saying your wrong by any means, I'm just curious.
I don't know exactly how much energy difference a living body uses. I think he lasted one chapter while living and about 2 while dead (Although that was due to Trunks getting the Radar and he still had energy left to use instant transmission).

It's mostly his line about being able to finish Buu off "At any time" which makes it sound like he could have done it in one blast so energy wouldn't really be a problem (Unless that meant using all his energy in a single blast and not having any left over for Gohan).

Edit: Turns out he didn't say "At any time" he just said "At the time" so I guess that changes things.
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Nov 12 2011, 09:58 PM
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Teen GohanZ
Nov 12 2011, 09:50 PM
I think Goku would stomp. Goku said he could have beaten Fat Buu "at any time" which suggests to me that it would have been very easy. I have Gohan slightly less powerful than Fat Buu but if Goku could beat Buu easily then I'm sure he could do the same to Gohan who has a much less durable body.
You don't think SSJ3's energy drain would be a problem? Goku'd never seen a living SSJ3 when he made his comment about being able to kill Fat Buu, and he never said he'd godstomp. And you think he'd have the energy left to kill one after he kills the other?

I'm not saying your wrong by any means, I'm just curious.
I don't know exactly how much energy difference a living body uses. I think he lasted one chapter while living and about 2 while dead (Although that was due to Trunks getting the Radar and he still had energy left to use instant transmission).

It's mostly his line about being able to finish Buu off "At any time" which makes it sound like he could have done it in one blast so energy wouldn't really be a problem (Unless that meant using all his energy in a single blast and not having any left over for Gohan).
I think he could have battled Fat Buu longer, if he needed to. Goku was also shocked at how quickly his energy was used up against Kid Buu (he seemed to think that he could show off, drag it out, and then win with a full power blast), and then he underestimated how much it drained his power a SECOND time (he thought he needed 1 minute to power up, iirc, and then he fell down into base form despite his efforts to avoid it).

Personally, I take his statement about beating Fat Buu to mean he was expected to win without to much difficulty. I have Fat Buu around 80% of all out SSJ3 Goku, which is a little bit of a smaller gap than I have between Vegeta and Recoome. Thus, Goku would expect Buu to put up a little bit of resistance, get beaten down, and then get nuked by a massive Kamehameha. Even if Goku could destroy Buu while living (which I don't think he could), I assume he'd be out of energy and be fairly easy for Gohan to take out.
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Okay since I was wrong about that line I'm gonna try and work this out.

I'll put SSj3 Goku at 100 to try and make other powers revolve around that.

SSj3 Goku: 100
Kid Buu: 100
SSj2 Vegeta: 25 (I use a x4 SSj3 multiplier)
Mr Buu: 27 (I would say 25-30 but I have to try and be more specific for this)

I have Mr Buu getting about 3/10th of the power of Fat Buu so he has 30% power.
I'm not sure exactly how I'd get to 100% like this since I suck at maths so I'll go to 60% first: 54
Now I need to take off 10% so I think I'd divide the 27 (30%) by 3: 9
Take off 10% from the 60%: 45
And then x2 for 100%: 90

So if I made no mistakes I guess that's how strong I have Fat Buu compared to SSj3 Goku.
I'd put Gohan at around 85 in this case.
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Nov 12 2011, 10:22 PM
Okay since I was wrong about that line I'm gonna try and work this out.

I'll put SSj3 Goku at 100 to try and make other powers revolve around that.

SSj3 Goku: 100
Kid Buu: 100
SSj2 Vegeta: 25 (I use a x4 SSj3 multiplier)
Mr Buu: 27 (I would say 25-30 but I have to try and be more specific for this)

I have Mr Buu getting about 3/10th of the power of Fat Buu so he has 30% power.
I'm not sure exactly how I'd get to 100% like this since I suck at maths so I'll go to 60% first: 54
Now I need to take off 10% so I think I'd divide the 27 (30%) by 3: 9
Take off 10% from the 60%: 45
And then x2 for 100%: 90

So if I made no mistakes I guess that's how strong I have Fat Buu compared to SSj3 Goku.
I'd put Gohan at around 85 in this case.
Yes, your math is totally correct.

27/3 = 9. This is 10% of Fat Buu's power. You said that you have Good at 3/10 of it, so he's 27, as before. Evil Buu is 9*7 = 63. And 27 + 63 = 90, which is Fat Buu's level compared to SSJ3 Goku's 100.

Looking at this a second time, do you still think SSJ3 Goku wins? He's got Fat Buu very close to him, and Gohan is also quite comparable. I mean, you've got both of them much closer to Goku than I do (lol), and I think that they win without horrific casualties.
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Hard to say. I think he may be able to beat one of them, Buu would have to be taken out in one huge blast though so he wouldn't have any energy left for Gohan.
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I think Goku can win, but only if he plays smart. I don't think he could've completely one-shotted Majin Boo, but I do think he could've won even in a living body. He lasted quite a bit against Pure Boo, who was near equal with him.
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Hmm... If we threw Majin Vegeta in there on Goku's side, would it amount to much? I mean, he's outclassed, but I think he might, might be able to waste enough of Buu's time for Goku to take Gohan down with a huge burst of power. I don't think Goku (tired)/Vegeta could beat Fat Buu, but I think they'd have a way better shot than SSJ3 Goku alone, maybe like a 3/10 chance of wining.
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Adding Majin Vegeta would be no help to Goku. He'd just get in the way.
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